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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010 edited
     
    For the past 30 days I have maintained a vegetarian diet after reading Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer. Natalie Portman wrote in The Huffington Post that "Jonathan Safran Foer's book Eating Animals changed me from a twenty-year vegetarian to a vegan activist."

    Since then I have had discussions with many people about the various pros and cons of eating meat. Should I maintain a vegetarian diet?

    Many shareholders are vegetarian. Some are ethical omnivores, and some are generally careless about what they eat. Is there a diet that adds value to KmikeyM? As the adage says, "you are what you eat." Should the KmikeyM enterprise be fed, if you were, by the various ill effects of modern American farming and its hormone-laden meat industry, or by the energy derived from natural photosynthesis? Food is fuel, and the machine of KmikeyM must continue to run unburdened for many years to come.

    On the other hand, food is also social. The social ramifications of a limited diet can mean not sitting at the table of beef-eating titans of industry. That is a seat that offers many opportunities. On a more personal level there are meals where it might be impolite to invite a non-meater (like a pig roast, or a wing party). I myself have considered the dietary restrictions of guests when planning a small dinner party.

    It may be counterproductive to consider this a dichotomous conflict of physical and social value; there may be unforeseen ill effects in either directions. For example, vegetarianism may be the norm in various circles (artistic, ecologically-conscious), or be seen as a sign of personal strength and ethical values, both superior business attributes. At the same time, a poorly-planned vegetarian diet may be detrimental to health. However, this is a brass-tacks decision and brass-tacks decisions require hard-lined arguments.

    Please cast your vote at KmikeyM.com
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      CommentAuthorCat Fancy
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    A no vote looks so sinister on the voting site. I believe you should greatly limit the amount of meat that you eat, and when you do eat it, it should be of high quality. This is not a strict vegetarian diet, so my vote is "no."
    • CommentAuthordemonbane
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    Without getting into any ethical discussions about the relative merits of a vegetarian diet, I think that in terms increasing shareholder value this would have an overall neutral or negative impact. It is possible that this step could open up a few more vegetarian-friendly opportunities, but I believe that it would also limit or exclude participation in other events that could prove to be useful.

    Therefore, I have to conclude that while it might be possible to *maintain* shareholder value while switching to a vegetarian diet, I do not see the opportunity for it to *increase* shareholder value, so I vote 'nay'.

    As a side note, I would add that a low fat diet (such as that associated with a vegetarian diet) has been shown to be healthy in the long run, so I would encourage management to consider it as a way of ensuring the longevity of the enterprise. But the 'vegetarian' label should be avoided in the case of business opportunities.
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    however, as time goes on I think we are seeing that the "vegetarian" label is swiftly losing its "fringe" connotations, as more and more books like Safran-Froer's are published and become bestsellers, and as more and more of the health nightmares associated with major factory farms are exposed (i.e. recent study showing that 85% of factory farm meat you buy in the store is infected with e. coli), and as the trend toward growing your own food and supporting local small farmers hopefully continues. More and more, "vegetarian" will become normal, attainable, and preferable, as more and more people (even those who continue to eat meat) are able to recognize why that dietary restriction is made, and that it is not "kooky."

    I could foresee a future in which it would be preferable from a business standpoint to be able to use the "vegetarian" label truthfully, thus attracting more eco-minded and cruelty-free-minded investors, advertisers, and customers. Much like the label "Green" has become in our own day and age.

    Furthermore, the idea that it is limiting is I think ingrained in us but is not empirically true. For example, as a vegetarian I have traveled to many different places and countries, and I think we forget that there are vegetarians everywhere, for all kinds of different reasons. There are Buddhists in Japan, Hindus in India, punk rock kids in Australia, the Animal Liberation Front in England. Thus vegetarianism IS a part of each different culture we encounter. Rather than thinking of meat-eating as the norm/universal, from which vegetarians are excluded, I think it is possible to think of vegetarianism as the norm---as it is for many millions of people worldwide. Or at least to think of it as "a norm," which need neither exclude nor be excluded from the wonderful variety of communal experience.
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    As the lone vegan in my MFA program in Portland, OR (which boggles the mind, or at least MY mind), I am regularly the focus of special attention because of my diet. However, I also regularly get invited to fancy-ass dinners with fancy, high-falutin' people (mainly artists, but also the president of my college, etc.) and I will say that my diet is not really a hindrance to these situations, either in terms of being invited or actually eating a delicious thing. I would guess that these "beef-eating titans of industry" that you mention would be convening at some fancy place that would similarly cater to your dietary choices. It is true that sometimes people who eat animals feel guilty in the face of vegetarianism, but THAT IS THEIR PROBLEM, not yours! You can easily be a cool vegetarian, one who is well informed, but laid back in terms of not evangelizing.
    Although I am no share-holder, I think that the "poorly-planned vegetarian diet may be detrimental to health" is your weakest argument. Obvsi, a poorly-planned animal consuming diet may be detrimental to one's health as well, just as much if not more so.

    LAID BACK, HALF-LIFETIME VEGAN REPRESENTING OVER HERE!
    • CommentAuthordemonbane
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    I think in this case, any potential guilt that the omnivores at the table might feel is a negative thing. Keep in mind that this discussion isn't about whether or not Mike should be a vegetarian. It's about whether or not the Kmikeym 'enterprise' will increase shareholder value by choosing to convert to (and announce) a vegetarian lifestyle. I just don't see any potential for increasing shareholder value with this decision, so I'm left with a conservative "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach in this case.

    To clarify, I think that Mike Merrill can certainly choose to not eat meat, I just don't think that this fact should be advertised as part of the kmikeym enterprise.
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010 edited
     
    Interestingly, the Food Section of the Oregonian today is:


    Conscious carnivores, ethical butchers are changing food culture (WARNING: do not engage in the comments of OregonLive.com)
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    BARF. But if it floats your boat, cool. Certainly is 100% better than buying factory meat.

    Comes dangerously close to the psychopathic "death is a beautiful part of life" argument recently made in the new yorker's letters to the editor section.

    But yeah, if you want to eat meat, I dare you to kill and butcher it yourself, and I would respect you very much as a carnivore if you did. Not as easy as growing a carrot, that's for sure.

    Also, makes me want to get a nice goat and milk the goat and make my own yogurt. I would love that goat so much! And not kill it.

    I want to live on a vegetarian farm so bad.
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    Also, wouldn't advertising vegetarianism as a business stance make KmikeyM more attractive to vegetarians, who are a fast-increasing segment of our society?

    You assume that meat-eaters will remain the norm and the most powerful section of business society but I think that is changing.

    However, your point is well taken. For example, if KmikeyM began advocating the "carnivore" label specifically as part of his business profile, I think many people would be grossed out, annoyed, and/or less likely to support future business endeavors from him. Perhaps the "vegetarian" specific label would be similar. Thus your opinion that leaving things as they stand (with neither label applied) would be best could be the case.
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    An email I got:

    I find it unfortunate that you're suggesting we have to choose between those two extremes. As always, the truth lies in the middle.

    I realize declaring yourself a vegetarian is the more impressive social bullet point, but instead, I challenge you to eat a more reasonable diet consisting of mostly local produce, and smaller amounts of non-local organic produce, ethically-grown dairy and meat from small farms, and sustainable fish.

    Even a meat-based sandwich from Clyde Common, where they source the best ingredients possible, to me, seems more ethical than a pesticide-laden and Monsanto GMO seed-based veggie sandwich from Subway.
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    I did eat at Subway today. :(
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    I agree with that email you got, very strongly.
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      CommentAuthorzin
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    Your letter writer details the diet that Jessica and I try to eat. It is fun, and also delicious. We mostly succeed. We have a CSA subscription. Jessica just bought and froze several pounds of beef and chicken from this cool local farmer lady. I mean, we still get things like Ben & Jerry's ice cream, which is a factory product from far away. But that's life.

    Please don't ever eat at Subway.
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    I don't understand why choosing not to eat meat would be considered an extreme, so in that regard I do not agree with that email you received.

    I also don't understand why you eating vegetarian would be detrimental to your health? You think it would cause you to eat less nutritious? Is that the implication?

    I am undecided on how I will vote on this.

    I don't want to vote YES if this project will fail as has happened with some other projects I have supported.
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    A YES vote, on this or any proposal, can only represent a course of action. Success is never guaranteed.
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      CommentAuthorjames
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    sounds like a great idea for your life in portland... but i highly recommend keeping your options open when traveling, especially asia. food is a much larger part of the culture here, it would be sad to miss out on so much of it.
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      CommentAuthorChuck
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
     
    Steve, the "detrimental to your health" note in Mike's proposal refers to a poorly-conducted vegetarian diet, otherwise known as the "potato chip/french fry/waffles/nacho diet."
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    Do not eat anything that is produced in a factory. Do not eat anything that does not rot readily when left out on the counter.
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    I understand that, Claire, but I don't understand why Mike who lives in Portland and lives the life that he leads would eat any differently. If he was going to eat crappily he would already do it. Too many EASY veggie delicious tasty and good for you options in this town. It would be understandable somewhere rural or less progressive, but that argument makes no sense in this town and with Mike's life (knowledge, access to foods, friends, grocery stores, restaurants).
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    I also agree with Steve that dubbing the vegetarian diet "extreme" is really lame.
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    I concur with James, that a primarily vegetarian diet with a travel clause seems best.
    Especially when travelling to Asia or developing countries.
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010 edited
     
    The "extreme" was referring more to the originally written post which presented a very binary choice:

    Should the KmikeyM enterprise be fed, if you were, by the various ill effects of modern American farming and its hormone-laden meat industry, or by the energy derived from natural photosynthesis?

    No one here thinks vegetarianism is extreme.
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      CommentAuthorChuck
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
     
    The note about detriment to heath through poor vegetarian eating choices is simply an attempted counterpoint -- the management worried the proposal might have been too clearly biased to a "yea" vote. Some people who adopt vegetarianism come from weird food backgrounds and find that they are ill-prepared to cook vegetarian for themselves, eat wisely at restaurants, or research appropriate sources of, say, B vitamins. I have known many potato-chip vegans who eventually lapse. The statement in Mike's proposal on this subject is meant as a generality, not a specific point about Mike's probable veggie eating habits, which would certainly be quite balanced.

    I know this because I wrote it.
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    Ha!

    Good info.
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    I love "potato chip vegetarian."

    also love "bacon vegetarian"

    and how "bacon" has now become a prefix before any noun meant derisively, i.e. a "bacon feminist" being someone who calls themselves a feminist but who votes pro-life and doesn't think women should have jobs ("That Caitlin Flanagan, she's such a bacon feminist, I can't stand it").
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      CommentAuthormatthew
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
     
    I'm eating persimmons.
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      CommentAuthorgregab
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2010
     
    demonbane --

    On the issue of shareholder value, I think there's another side to consider. Keeping all options open, or trying to appeal to the widest possible market by never offending anyone is not necessarily the most effective strategy. Having strong opinions and and a strong brand that people associate with you is often better than trying to please everyone. Witness: http://wolframalpha.com/input/?i=appl+msft

    I think that the association with the Portland lifestyle is a strong part of the KMikeyM brand. Therefore, anything that increases this association: biking/public transit, vegetarianism, support for local art and culture, etc. seem like a strong way to increase the brand and therefore long-term shareholder value.

    We should aim for a KMikeyM that is one of the standout, un-missable parts of Portland culture, not a generic BigCo that can't be distinguished from every other offering out there.
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    Be human, be diverse. Go for 95%
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorJos
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    As the resident Right-Wing Nutjob, I'll chime in.

    1) Membership in any group is not nearly as prevalent as the members of those groups think. Vegetarians, being more aware of the lifestyle (and more informed about it than non-veggies), see it as being more prevalent than it is (This is the RAS at work - much like Caliber owners seeing Calibers everywhere). This is important, because it, while not invalidating them, does properly diminish the arguments of the veggies on the board who posit that the aggressive veggie lifestyle is a large enough movement to appeal to as a business move. Yes, if your business is selling veggies (or supplements), it is, but the business of KMikeyM is not.

    2) I believe the most effective means of engendering change is from the inside. Being a "beef eating Titan of Industry" who actually doesn't eat much beef, but instead goes for wild seafood, free-range organic chicken, or whatnot, you'll have a greater ability to influence the minds of other Titans than you would as a Vegetarian. As a proclaimed veggie, you are, merely by existing, putting them on the defensive (justified or not), which hampers business dealings. As a guy who just happens to order the crab instead of the steak, no one's eating habits or lifestyle choices are under attack, and you're easy to do business with.

    3) I agree with the second statement made by the Fake KMikeyM. This is why I do not eat margarine, if I can avoid it.

    In essence, becoming a vegetarian is, while not necessarily a bad business move, certainly not a beneficial one.

    As you were, people, as you were...
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    Here is an image where I am reading the book that helped me make my initial decision.

    • CommentAuthorKey_Lime
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010
     
    I met a kid recently that told me he is not only a cannible but a vampire,

    Douse everything,
    hummus, stir fry, eggs, cerial,
    in nutrisional yeast and call it good.
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    I assume that by definition all vampires are cannibals.
    otherwise: good points.
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      CommentAuthorCat Fancy
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010
     
    Nick, you have a very exciting life.
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    Tut tut. Vampires do not eat other vampires, therefore not cannibals.

    Seems like you would know that, "Ghost-of-famous-vampire"!
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      CommentAuthorKmikeyM
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2010 edited
     
    Rich, that is assuming that a vampire is a different species than a human. Is that true? Isn't a human just the caterpillar to the vampire's butterfly?
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    indeed. Vampire is not a different species. Vampire is a human tragically infected with an evil that forces him to live beyond death, preying on his fellows. Vampire is just a dead, dangerous human, not a different kind of dude altogether. News flash: species can't change species. THAT'S SCIENCE.

    CANNIBAL CORPSE
    • CommentAuthorKey_Lime
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010
     
    a vampire is to a human
    as a hotdog is to a sandwich

    So like the topic of bread, Humans can branch off in a number of directions.

    Couldn't a species change into a species if it's DNA was tampered with?

    hurry this tree needs saving
    somebody out there must have a magic crystal
    http://portland.craigslist.org/nco/atq/1583635392.html
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    but if a hotdog ate a sandwich, I would call that cannibalism. There is something disturbing about it.
    • CommentAuthorKey_Lime
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2010
     
    then what about plant that feed off one another, are they too not cannibals,
    and what about gasoline, burning old dinosaurs, that certainly can't be vegan, or at all nice to the souls of all those invisible t-rex that would be living in these NW parts.
    what was the origonal topic here?
    oh yeah. if vegitarianism is appealing to the business world.

    More people eat vegitables alone than just meat,
    and even more people eat meat with a side of veggies.
    So as far as appealing to vampires, I think Vampires like vegitarians more because they have more light in their blood.
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    don't bring sandwiches into this!! dangerous territory
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    OK.

    Vampires are cannibals, technically-speaking.

    Sorry I was snotty about it.

    I'm going to go frown for a while.